MRC Global Inc. (NYSE:MRC) Q1 2024 Results Conference Call May 9, 2024 10:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Monica Broughton – Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury
Rob Saltiel – President and CEO
Kelly Youngblood – Executive Vice President and CFO
Conference Call Participants
Tommy Moll – Stephens
Nathan Jones – Stifel
Chris Dankert – Loop Capital Markets
Ken Newman – KeyBanc Capital Markets
Operator
Greetings, and welcome to MRC Global’s First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Monica Broughton, Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury. Please go ahead.
Monica Broughton
Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to the MRC Global First Quarter 2024 Conference Call and Webcast. We appreciate you joining us.
On the call today, we have Rob Saltiel, President and CEO; and Kelly Youngblood, Executive Vice President and CFO. There will be a replay of today’s call available by webcast on our website, mrcglobal.com as well as by phone until May 23, 2024. The dial-in information is in yesterday’s release.
We expect to file our quarterly report on Form 10-Q later today and will also be available on our website. Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today, May 9, 2024, and therefore, you are advised that the information may no longer be accurate as of the time of replay.
In our call today, we will discuss various non-GAAP measures. You are encouraged to read our earnings release and securities filings to learn more about our use of these non-GAAP measures and to see a reconciliation of these measures to the related GAAP items, all of which can be found on our website.
Unless we specifically state otherwise, references in this call to EBITDA refer to adjusted EBITDA. In addition, the comments made by the management of MRC Global during this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the United States federal securities laws. These forward-looking statements reflect the current views of the management of MRC Global.
However, actual results could differ materially from those expressed today. You are encouraged to read the company’s SEC filings for a more in-depth review of the risk factors concerning these forward-looking statements.
And now I’d like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Rob Saltiel.
Rob Saltiel
Thank you, Monica. Good morning, and welcome to everyone joining today’s call. I will begin with a high-level review of our first quarter results and discuss a couple of notable achievements and initiatives before concluding with our 2024 outlook.
I will then turn over the call to Kelly to provide a detailed review of the quarter and 2024 guidance before I deliver a brief recap.
Starting with our first quarter highlights. We generated $38 million in operating cash flow in the first quarter, a great start to the year because Q1 is typically our lowest quarter for cash generation. We are on track to meet or exceed our guidance of generating $200 million of operating cash flow for the full year. We continue to be very bullish on the cash generation potential of our company going forward.
First quarter revenue was $806 million growing 5% over the fourth quarter, exceeding our expectations and coming out of the gate strong in the new year. We believe that our business has turned the corner with the fourth quarter of last year representing the bottom and we expect our revenues to expand further in the remaining quarters.
This quarter, we experienced revenue increases in all sectors, led by our DIET sector, which was up 7% on refining, chemical and mining customer projects and maintenance spend. The Gas Utility sector improved 5% sequentially driven by improved project work and increased customer spending due to normalizing buying patterns reversing the downward trend experienced in the last 3 quarters of 2023.
And our PTI sector grew by 3%, driven by increased pipeline valve sales and stronger production infrastructure activity in the U.S. Adjusted gross margins were a very healthy 21.6%. This is now our eighth quarter in a row with margins exceeding 21%. As we have highlighted previously, this represents a transformational change from the high teens level of adjusted gross margins experienced throughout most of our company’s history.
Adjusted EBITDA margins were 7.1% for the first quarter an 80 basis point improvement over the fourth quarter. This is the result of both higher adjusted gross margins along with strong cost discipline. Our balance sheet has never been stronger with ample liquidity and the lowest leverage ratio in our public company history at 0.6x. We expect this metric to further improve as we continue to generate cash throughout this year.
Our strong cash generation profile provides us the opportunity to repay our term loan early, which we intend to do in the current quarter. Kelly will address this in more detail later. Finally, our international revenues grew 7% year-over-year and 3% sequentially. This business is poised for double-digit revenue improvement for the full year supported by a backlog that is 38% higher than a year ago.
Our international team’s success and landing new projects, particularly those involving the energy transition in LNG has supported our growth in this segment. I would now like to highlight 3 important initiatives at MRC Global that illustrate what we are doing to improve our customer service, enhance our revenue growth and maintain a disciplined cost structure.
First, our digital strategy that began several years ago continues to evolve and deliver great dividends in the form of additional sales and an improved customer experience. U.S. orders placed digitally hit a record 66% of total orders in Q1 of 2024. This is up approximately 2,100 basis points over 5 years ago and up 150 basis points over Q1 2023 levels. We have developed and deployed a user-friendly digital customer service platform that in addition to product ordering provides self-service features such as order expediting, order documentation and past order histories. This useful functionality drives efficiency and cost savings for our customers and for us while increasing customer loyalty and retention.
One exciting initiative that we have underway is development of a digital quoting tool that leverages artificial intelligence to improve the accuracy and timeliness of our quotes for customer product orders. This tool uses AI to match customer parts and descriptions to our own to expedite the quoting process. This provides multiple benefits. It saves time for our salespeople in assembling a quotation. It improves our responsiveness to urgent customer needs, and it facilitates a more accurate quote-to-cash process. We are in beta testing mode now, and we plan to roll out this quoting tool to our sales team this summer.
And finally, I want to elaborate on our North America enterprise resource planning project that we discussed on our last earnings call. We are enthusiastic about the functionality that the new Oracle cloud-based ERP system will bring to our business. We anticipate many enhancements to our current business processes including standardized operating procedures, improved accuracy relating to the management of customer orders, increased inventory efficiency and forecasting and enhanced monitoring and reporting of our financial performance.
Our customers will benefit through more streamlined systems integration that can enable trouble-free digital commerce. I am pleased to report that this ERP project remains on budget and on schedule. We expect to be fully implemented and running on the new system in the second half of 2025. We have assigned some of our best performing team members to this ERP project, and we are excited about its potential to transform many aspects of our business. Turning now to our outlook.
Our strong financial performance in the first quarter provides a very encouraging start to the year and higher confidence that we will achieve the 2024 financial targets discussed on our last call. As mentioned earlier, we believe our business has stabilized from the declines we experienced in the second half of last year. We are optimistic that the first quarter will likely be the lowest revenue quarter of the year, and we will see steady growth in the coming quarters.
From a sector perspective, for our great gas utility sector, some of our larger customers continue to focus on their destocking efforts, but the sequential growth experienced this quarter and stabilization seen in backlog is signaling that the worst is likely behind us. The long-term market fundamentals and growth potential of our gas utilities business remain very positive, and we expect that 2025 will see improvements over 2024 revenues.
We continue to expand our wallet share with existing Gas Utility customers while targeting new utilities and service areas to increase our market share. We are targeting new utility contracts this year that should solidify our strong market position even further.
In the DIET sector, we are optimistic that we will experience revenue growth this year from a strong level of refinery and chemical plant maintenance activities supplemented by a growing slate of projects. We remain excited about energy transition opportunities with the majority of our 2024 revenue in this subsector expected to occur with renewable fuels and wind power projects in our international segment.
Additionally, we are building a healthy backlog in North America for carbon capture project activity that is expected to deliver late this year and into next year. Turning to our PTI business, we expect consistent steady growth for the remainder of the year. We expect oil prices to remain relatively strong on the back of positive economic activity and for natural gas prices to likely improve from the currently low historical levels due to targeted production curtailments and inventory declines.
Larger public E&P companies are expected to drive a higher percentage of the activity in 2024 in the U.S. oil field, which is favorable for MRC Global as our PTI revenue is driven predominantly from this customer base. We expect less cyclicality and activity levels going forward as these larger customers tend to operate with increased levels of financial discipline. We are bullish on MRC Global’s ability to gain market share, especially in the Permian Basin, as larger PTI customers complete announced acquisitions and reassessed their supply chains and purchasing contracts.
As we have stated previously, we generally do more business with the acquirers than we do the targets and the quality focus that we bring is better appreciated by larger operators who adopt a longer-term perspective when purchasing PVF products for their oil and gas maintenance activities and new development projects.
Another positive for the PTI sector is that our international oil and gas business is expected to expand, and we should benefit from our strong position in Europe and our growing presence in the Middle East. We continue to focus on controlling our cost structure in an inflationary environment.
As mentioned on last quarter’s call, we are aiming to further optimize our SG&A costs in 2024 to maintain a minimum 7% adjusted EBITDA margin. We have made significant progress elevating our EBITDA returns over the last few years, and we are committed to not losing this momentum in 2024. Among other initiatives, we are becoming more efficient in our staffing levels lowering our freight costs and optimizing our service delivery costs.
We are off to a good start as our adjusted SG&A cost for the first quarter of 2024 were $2 million lower than the prior quarter. In summary, we have started the year off significantly better than expected, and we believe the low point for our business activity is in our rearview mirror. While we continue to believe that 2024 will be a transitional year in terms of our top line growth, we have never been a stronger company, and we have multiple opportunities for value creation ahead of us.
We remain optimistic about the fundamentals of all 3 business sectors and their long-term outlook given our strong market position and the expectation of growing demand for our products and services for decades to come. Importantly, for our shareholders, our recent improvements in our gross margins, our cost structure and our working capital efficiencies have positioned us to generate more consistent earnings and cash flow across the business cycle.
This year, we expect to generate approximately $200 million or more in operating cash flow, which will make us an even stronger company with minimal net debt going into 2025. This will allow us significant flexibility to consider various capital allocation strategies as we approach 2025, and including distributing excess cash to our shareholders. And with that, I will now hand it over to Kelly.
Kelly Youngblood
Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. My comments today will be primarily focused on sequential results comparing the first quarter of 2024 to the fourth quarter of 2023, unless otherwise stated.
Total company sales for the first quarter were $806 million, a 5% sequential increase and a 9% decline compared to the same quarter last year. From a sector perspective, Gas Utilities sales were $266 million in the first quarter, a $13 million or 5% increase. The growth was the result of increased product sales for upcoming projects and normalization of certain customer buying patterns related to their recent destocking efforts.
Although some customers continue to focus on reducing their levels of safety stock, we have seen a stabilization in backlog and average daily sales so far this year that is encouraging. We continue to expect 2024 to be a transition year for our Gas Utilities customers with lower project activity due to higher interest rates and elevated construction costs, but we are expecting increased spending as we move into next year.
The DIET sector first quarter revenue was $276 million, an increase of $18 million or 7% due to an increase in mining-related sales, refinery project and turnaround activity and chemical market share growth in the U.S. International diet revenue also increased primarily due to an LNG project in the Middle East as well as renewable gas and chemical projects in Europe.
The PTI sector revenue for the first quarter was $264 million, an increase of $7 million or 3%, primarily due to increased sales of valves and polyethylene pipe for well completions in the U.S. As mentioned by Rob, we are optimistic about the recent trends in customer consolidation and supportive commodity prices, which should be a nice tailwind for our business going forward.
From a geographic segment perspective, U.S. revenue was $667 million in the first quarter, a $34 million or 5% increase as all sectors improved. Gas Utilities led the growth up $13 million, followed by the DIET sector, which increased $11 million and the PTI sector, which was up $10 million.
International revenue was $110 million in the first quarter, up $3 million or 3%, driven primarily by improvement in the DIET sector in the Middle East and Europe. The outlook for our International segment remains positive with expectations for double-digit revenue growth in both the PTI and DIET sectors.
Canada revenue was $29 million in the first quarter, up $1 million as increases in the DIET sector revenue offset a decline in the PTI sector. Now turning to margins. Adjusted gross profit for the first quarter was $174 million or 21.6%, a 40 basis point improvement over the same quarter 1 year ago and a 30 basis point decline sequentially.
This marks the eighth consecutive quarter with adjusted gross margins exceeding 21% as we have been successful at maintaining a higher-margin product mix and a higher contribution of revenue from our International segment which is accretive to overall company gross margins.
Reported SG&A for the first quarter was $125 million or 15.5% of sales as compared to $125 million or 16.3% for the fourth quarter. This quarter included $3 million of pretax charges related to activism response, legal and consulting costs. Excluding these costs, our adjusted SG&A for the first quarter of 2024 was $122 million or 15.1% of sales and a $2 million sequential improvement as a result of our cost control measures.
Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter was $57 million or 7.1% of sales, an 80 basis point increase from the fourth quarter due to higher sales, elevated gross margins and reduced SG&A costs. Tax expense in the first quarter was $8 million, with an effective tax rate of 30% as compared to $2 million of expense and a 9% effective tax rate in the fourth quarter.
The first quarter of 2024 effective tax rate was higher than the U.S. statutory rate due to foreign losses with no tax benefit while the fourth quarter was favorably impacted by a net reduction in a foreign valuation allowance. For the first quarter, we had net income attributable to common shareholders of $13 million or $0.15 per diluted share, and our adjusted net income attributable to common stockholders on an average cost basis, normalizing for LIFO adjustments and other items was $17 million or $0.20 per diluted share.
In the first quarter, we generated $38 million in cash from operations, primarily from increased EBITDA and more efficient working capital metrics. We believe we are on track to meet or exceed our operating cash flow guidance of $200 million this year. We also expect to have continued working capital efficiency gains as we progress through the year which will result in higher cash generation in the second half of the year.
Turning to liquidity and capital structure. Our current availability on the ABL is $645 million and including cash, our total liquidity is $791 million. Our leverage ratio based on net debt of $149 million was 0.6x, a new record low for the company and we intend to repay our Term Loan B this quarter with a combination of cash and drawing on our ABL facility. This will also reduce our ongoing interest expense burden by 150 basis points for any balance that remains on our ABL.
Now I’ll cover our outlook for the second quarter and full year 2024. For the second quarter, we expect sequential revenue to be up low single digits for the total company with increases in each of our sectors. We also expect sequential improvement in each of our geographic segments, with our International business leading the improvement with an upper single-digit increase.
Our outlook for the full year remains in line with the guidance provided on our Q4 call. Although we are off to a very good start to 2024, our annual revenue guidance is weighted more heavily to the second half of the year in the current quarter is when we typically build backlog to support this growth.
We also expect a quarterly revenue cadence similar to past years with revenue growth in the second quarter and third quarter and a seasonal decline in the fourth quarter. We continue to view 2024 as a transitional year with total company revenue expected to be similar to or slightly lower than 2023 levels.
As a reminder, we are also targeting the following key metrics for 2024. Average adjusted gross margins of 21% or better, average adjusted EBITDA margins of 7% or better, average adjusted SG&A cost as a percent of revenue below 15%, we expect to generate $200 million or more in operating cash flow. Capital expenditures are expected to be in the $40 million to $45 million range in 2024, higher than our normal run rate of approximately $15 million as a result of our ERP implementation.
And finally, we expect our effective tax rate in 2024 to be in the range of 26% to 28%.
And with that, I would like to turn it back to Rob for closing comments.
Rob Saltiel
Thanks, Kelly. The first quarter has started off with solid performance with a return to sequential quarterly revenue growth. It also bears repeating that our company is in a very strong financial position. We have transformed MRC Global into a more efficient and consistently profitable company with a strong balance sheet that is poised for future success.
These are the 2024 highlights I want to summarize before opening for Q&A. We continue to target $200 million of cash from operations this year, and we are on track to meet or exceed that target. We expect average adjusted gross profit to remain in the 21% range in 2024 and are targeting average EBITDA margins of 7% for the full year.
We intend to pay off our term loan B in full in the current quarter. We expect to exit 2024 with a minimal net debt position and be in a positive net cash position in 2025. As we generate consistently strong levels of free cash flow over the coming quarters, we will have ample financial flexibility to consider various capital allocation strategies, including returning excess cash to our shareholders.
And with that, we will now take your questions. Operator?
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator Instructions] First question comes from Tommy Moll with Stephens.
Tommy Moll
Rob, I wanted to start on Gas Utilities. It sounds like there’s some more normal buying patterns there after a few quarters where that wasn’t the case. But can you just situate us in this recovery cycle? You mentioned there still appears to be some destocking by your own customers. But just anything additional you can provide there would be helpful.
Rob Saltiel
Yes, sure. Thanks, Tommy. I think we’ve said before that a number of our customers are in different positions with regard to their destocking efforts. We certainly are seeing some of our customers returning to more normalized buying patterns. They’ve gotten through the majority of their destocking and what they’re purchasing from us and the business we’re doing with them is more typical of what we would see with this part of the season.
However, there are still other customers who are going to be completing their destocking efforts as they move through this year. Again, everybody’s situation is slightly different. I think what we’re encouraged about is that the general trend is going the way that we thought it would, that the first half of this year, would certainly see the bulk of the friction on our business as it relates to destocking.
And as we move to the second half of the year, we’d see, again, a more return to normal purchasing patterns, which obviously it means higher revenues for our business. So we’re encouraged by the progress being made and feeling that we’ll finish the year stronger than we start and that 2025 will even be better than 2024 based on some of the early estimates of CapEx from some of our key customers as they look to 2025.
Tommy Moll
Also wanted to touch on the ERP update, which it sounds like is on budget and on schedule. But can you just refresh us there for the full scope of this implementation across this year and next? What’s the total amount of CapEx or what I’m really trying to figure out is how much more spills into next year? And what are some of the key milestones we should be aware of just as you progress here going forward?
Kelly Youngblood
Yes. Tommy, this is Kelly. I’ll take that one. So I think last quarter, we said the total budget would be approximately $50 million for the project. and a little bit more of that, probably 60% of that or so will be in this year’s budget. The remainder will be in next year. That’s incorporated into the guidance we provided of that $40 million to $45 million in CapEx spend this year.
And we’re, as Rob said on the prepared remarks, we’re on schedule. We’re on budget. Everything is tracking really nicely there. So you asked about the different milestones. We’re essentially — well, we’re at the stage right now, we’re about to wrap up the detailed design phase, kind of the blueprint of the system. We are starting to test the system live in a conference room pilot that is kind of going on as we speak right now. That’s kind of the very first big user test of the functionality of the system.
And then we will start converting or transitioning over to the implementation part of the project, which will be coming up here kind of late Q2 going into Q3. So we’ll continue each quarter to update you guys on the progress. But so far, everything is going really well, very excited about the system and the additional functionality that we’re going to get out of it.
Rob Saltiel
Yes. And Tom, if I could just add. Keep in mind, we’re currently on a mainframe ERP system, and I don’t imagine there are many companies that you cover that are on a mainframe system this is going to create tremendous opportunities for us to be both more efficient in terms of how we run our business, being able to see where our inventory is, making sure that, that inventory is productive, making sure that our financial monitoring and assessment is up to speed.
But it’s also going to really give us capabilities with regard to better integration with our customers as well. And we’re really excited about this. It’s obviously a major investment for the company. It’s a significant change for our people. And I think we’re doing a lot of good things to make sure that the change management process is fully considered as we go forward. But we’re very excited about the system that we picked, the implementer and design group that we’re working with, and we know it will be a success. So stay tuned as we continue to give updates on future calls.
Operator
Next question, Nathan Jones with Stifel.
Nathan Jones
I’m going to ask a follow-up on the Gas Utilities business and probably be a little more blunt with my question. I think 2024 with the inventory destocking that’s going on clearly indicates that the Gas Utilities business is going to be under earning in 2024, probably overearning in 2022 under earning in ’23 and ’24. Do you guys have an estimate for what that is? What the level of inventory destocking is the level of under earning that the business is doing in 2024 simply because customers are correcting their inventory.
Rob Saltiel
Well, good question, Nathan. I’m not sure how definitive we can be about how much it’s impacting our business in terms of a precise number. But if you look at where we’ve been previously in this business and the consistent growth patterns we’ve had over the last decade, we think that there’s sort of a natural kind of 5% to 7% growth built into this business.
And once we get off that trajectory, clearly something else is going on. We continue to have discussions with our customers about projects that they need to implement in order to maintain the safety and integrity of their systems. And obviously, with the opportunity for the economy to maybe get a boost from some lower interest rates, maybe we get lower mortgage rates, we get housing starts increasing. There’s going to be opportunities for new infrastructure to go in as well.
So we believe that we’re going to get back onto a more normal cadence as we get into 2025. Again, the CapEx budgets that we’ve seen, these are long-term budgets not all the customers have put those out, but the ones that we’ve seen are typically in that 5% to 7% CapEx growth per year range. And that’s typically what we use as a guidepost again, each customer is going to be slightly different, different areas of the country see different growth rates, but that’s really the cadence that we’re looking for as normalized. And when we deviate from that, we attribute a lot of that to the destocking.
Nathan Jones
Another comment I think Kelly made in his prepared remarks was chemical market share growth. I know that’s been a market that you guys have thrown some additional resources behind felt like you maybe weren’t getting your fair share in that market. So any comments on what’s been done there, the trend in market share growth and what you think you can get there in the future?
Rob Saltiel
Yes, that’s been an exciting initiative for us. I think we’ve mentioned a few calls ago that in the past, we kind of took our eyes off that market. It’s not all IOCs. It’s a lot of smaller, more specialized chemical companies, along with the household names that you know.
Some of our competition really was well position to get that business, and we weren’t really challenging enough for it. And keep in mind the chemical space is heavy-valve oriented, which is obviously margin accretive for us. There’s also a lot of metallurgy requirements there like stainless and alloys that tend to also be accretive to margins.
So for a lot of reasons, we felt like it was underserved and a great opportunity for growth. We’ve done extremely well in breaking in with customers where we haven’t had MRO business before. And at the same time, we feel like we’re getting our fair share or better in terms of new projects. We’ve got a number of things that we’re working on that haven’t come to full fruition yet because the projects are still going through the planning and early purchasing stages.
But we feel like we’re very well positioned for project work in the chemical space and to continue to expand our presence with the MRO customers that have been there that we haven’t traditionally served.
Nathan Jones
And maybe just 1 more on the debt payoff and capital structure. Kelly, did you say your 150 basis points lower interest rate on the ABL than on the term loan first. And second, what’s your view on your ability to issue new debt given some of the blocking that’s been going on of refinancing the current term loan. Just how you’re thinking about your ability to issue new debt going forward?
Kelly Youngblood
Yes. So Nathan, you’re exactly right. The difference between the ABL and the term loan is 150 basis points both of them have a SOFR as a benchmark rate. And as far as the strength of the balance sheet and — I mean, 1 example, Moody’s just upgraded our outlook to positive we’ve got some discussions going on with S&P right now.
So I think even the rating agencies have recognized the strength of the company and the additional cash flow generation potential that we’re going to have coming up. So we feel like we can go back out to the market when we need to, if we need to, whether that’s M&A or through other things that we need to take care of. So really see no restrictions on any of that at all.
Operator
Next question, Chris Dankert with Loop Capital Markets.
Chris Dankert
I guess, first off, really nice quarter on cash generation here in 1Q, reiterating the full year. But I guess previous comments were calling for roughly neutral cash generation in the first half and the full generation in the back half. Is that still kind of the cadence you’re expecting here?
Kelly Youngblood
That’s correct. Yes. We typically always generate more cash in the second half of the year. The first half of the year, customers are locking in on what their project plans are, how much inventory needs we’re going to have. Q1 was better for a couple of different reasons. We thought it was going to be kind of flattish coming into the quarter because we have bonus payouts and tax payments and things like that.
But with the higher EBITDA, incremental fall-through we had on the higher revenue, that was a nice tailwind. We’ve been meeting our inventory targets really well, improving the efficiency of our inventory management. And then really, the organization has been highly focused on past due receivables, and we made a significant reduction in some of our past due balances that were out there this quarter that ultimately got us to the $38 million positive cash flow that we had for the quarter. And then I would say second quarter should be at least that, if not better, but an elevated amount as we get into the second half of the year.
Chris Dankert
That’s great news to hear. And then I guess, just not to get to myopic, but we’re thinking about EBITDA margin going forward here into the second quarter, would you be expecting it to be kind of flattish versus the first quarter? Or will we see kind of some uplift higher volume sequentially. Is there any comments you can give us on EBITDA margin kind of shape for the year here?
Rob Saltiel
Yes, I’ll take this one, I’ll let Kelly jump in. I mean I think you should really model flattish. We’ve basically said for the year that our goal is a 7% EBITDA margin, and we don’t really see a substantial difference between quarters to where we can cut it that finally.
Obviously, we think it’s extremely important that we maintain high EBITDA margins even in the year that we set as a transition year where we’re not going to see the typical revenue growth that we expect due in a large part due to the destocking issue that we’ve talked about before. So having a 7% EBITDA margin is your model is probably the right way to go. And then as we get back on a more normal growth pattern in terms of revenue, then we can shoot back up toward the 8% level. But that’s not likely to happen certainly in the second quarter. We’ll hope to see those margins move up as revenue moves up as we move through this year and into ’25.
Operator
Next question, Ken Newman with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Ken Newman
This is Katie Fisher on for Ken Newman today. I’m just trying to get a sense of how much conservatism is included in your guidance for this year. It seems like outside of Gas Utilities, you’re seeing some positive trends within these other businesses? And just given the strength in the quarter, what’s kind of preventing you from raising that outlook?
Rob Saltiel
Yes, good question. There’s no question that coming out of the gate, we’ve got a good quarter in the books better than we had expected. Keep in mind, we’re still early in the year, and we’re hesitant to change guidance based on just 1 quarter worth of data. The other thing to keep in mind is that the quarter that we’re in now is typically where we build the significant amount of our backlog that basically turns into second half revenue.
So we’ve got a situation where really through May, June, into July, that’s really the backlog that is going to be turned into revenue in the second half of the year. The other thing to keep in mind is that a lot of our business is project related and projects can shift forward and backward depending on the cadence of the orders that we received. So in summary, Katy, we are excited about the start to the year, but we’re just not ready to raise guidance yet.
Ken Newman
In terms of those projects, have you seen any cancellations or pushouts this year?
Rob Saltiel
Well, look, projects never seem to move to the left. They always seem to shift back. And I think we’ve talked before about the fact that the LNG projects have certainly come under some pressure because of the permitting issue that’s currently underway.
Some of the other projects that we’ve got just because things take a little longer than you like. They tend to slide a little to the right nothing major to report there, but we just have to be conservative. We’ve talked before about the fact that projects unlike our MRO business tend to be more lumpy in character and a little bit less predictable in terms of when they occur.
And obviously, if a big project slips from the fourth quarter to the first quarter of next year. Obviously, that will impact full year results. Again, nothing to report in specific, but just generally speaking, that gives you some sense of why we’re conservative at this point about changing our guidance.
Ken Newman
That’s good color. And then I just want to sneak 1 more in here, just a modeling question. Kelly, did you say that there will be a double-digit increase in diet within the international segment?
Kelly Youngblood
Yes. Well, International overall will be a double-digit improvement and it will also be a double-digit improvement for international PTI and international DIET.
Ken Newman
So I’m just trying to bridge that to the full year guide because you’re saying that diet is going to be up sequentially low single digits next quarter. Does that imply that it’s going to decrease in the second half of the year just to meet that full year outlook?
Kelly Youngblood
We are forecasting a little bit of falloff in DIET towards the end of the year, just lumpiness with projects. Now second quarter, specifically for International, I think I said in my prepared remarks that we’ll be up high single digits sequentially. But yes, as we go through the year, Q4 specifically, I think, is where we’re showing a little bit of a decline in DIET.
Operator
I would like to turn the floor over to Monica Broughton for closing remarks.
Monica Broughton
Thank you for joining our call today and for your interest in MRC Global. We look forward to having you join us for our second quarter conference call in August. Have a great day.
Operator
This concludes today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.
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